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33. August 9, 2003 3:23 PM
» Ted E. DeSalvatore - Re: Wrong Reading of Scripture
In response to message posted by BrAelredBernard:
I have read much of this string and find most of what you have stated to be informative and truthful until I got to the bit on Daniel and the prince of the eunuchs. You seemed to dig as deep as possible to imply some form of homosexuality and even went as far as to say God himself had promoted it so I had to go back to the first post and find you asking this question…
You wrote, "My question is and you have yet to answer: where did Jesus say homosexuality was wrong?"
Now I wonder what the driving force is behind all the extensive information that seems to imply that God’s word from the Old Testament has become totally invalid since the ministry of Christ. The basic morality of the Old Testament including references to sex with animals, incest, homosexuality and others are still true teachings and only someone that is into some sort of improper behavior may want to discredit the scriptural reference to it but that won’t change the sickness that drives the activity. In recent days we’ve seen clergy being allowed to fill a position of leadership who himself is open about his controversial lifestyle. We’ve heard all about abuses of other men who are also leaders that have fallen and used their positions wrongfully.
Jesus himself turned over the tables of the money changers in the temple which makes me wonder how he may have responded to the teaching of homosexuality as being a normal alternative contrary to his father’s creation since the first two humans where a man and a woman. With what seems to be the train of thought for today’s modern, opened minded, tolerant, non-responsible Christian who maintains a do as you wish and where you wish mentality, God should have started with two men and we wouldn’t be able to have this conversation at all!
Forgiveness and love, promoting good behavior and helping those that have unhealthy habits is what should be but isn’t. I have problems too but I don’t and won’t expect my local church to allow me to bring my personal sins to be displayed with total disregard of all others in the congregation. My God, think of the children!
Just the other day I got it in my mind to clarify something that had bothered me for many years however I just never looked it up. It has to do with the 3rd commandment.
“Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.â€
The word “vain†seems to be used in the context of deception and misuse.
vain - H7723
??????? o
shâv' shav
shawv, shav
From the same as H7722 in the sense of desolating; evil (as destructive), literally (ruin) or morally (especially guile); figuratively idolatry (as false, subjectively), uselessness (as deceptive, objectively; also adverbially in vain): - false (-ly), lie, lying, vain, vanity.
Gee, and most people think its using God’s name when swearing but that’s not it at all. It is more obviously used in the context of teaching something contrary to what God would have taught or more directly twisting and or changing the word of God to perform something contrary to the truth. As you seem to like the use of Strong’s numbers I would advise taking a close look at “guile†since that seems to have a lot to do with the meaning of “vain†in this context.
guile (gil) noun
1. Treacherous cunning; skillful deceit.
2. Obsolete. A trick or stratagem.
verb, transitive
guiled, guil·ing, guiles
Archaic.
To beguile; deceive.
Jesus asks us to come as children. To much knowledge may in fact get in our way. The point you may be trying to make in favor of a behavior the word says no to could be the beginning of your end. I’m am cautiously proceeding with my walk since I just got out of a two year relationship with a church I shouldn’t have been in.
Now to answer your question.
Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Every word! How you choose to read that is up to you but please don’t change it to fit your need to make something acceptable that you can’t yourself stop. I ask for forgiveness with my weaknesses and believe the promise of Jesus that I am forgiven. I will never try to implement some sort of change within the word of God that somehow condones wrong, immoral or unnatural behavior.
The daily bombardment of immorality weakens the strongest of us and I’m no exception. If I was in an accident and received an incredible wound the wound would have to be tended otherwise infection, fever and death would surely follow. No manipulation of the word will help that. Spiritual and physical ailments must be dealt with, not explained away and left to fester. When was the last time you cut yourself? Did you just let it bleed or get some ointment and a bandage? I would hope you didn’t just stand there and let it drip.
Just as God has said in the Old Testament that I shouldn’t Kill, he has also told me other things I shouldn’t do. Concentrate on that, not the judgments and the penalties. Christ asked us to be forgiving of those that do wrong, not except some sort of perverted teaching that it is now all okay because Jesus said so. HE DID NOT!
Long ago a group representing the Gay Liberation Association of Rochester, New York visited my social studies class while I was in high school. One of the members stated something I will never forget. At the time I was not a Christian however had a great hope that God and Jesus did exist. The statement was, “Jesus was a homosexual.†I and my other classmates, absolutely appalled by the statement, escorted the entire group out of our school and asked the school to remove the teacher who invited the group to speak to us. This was 1973 and the push to make us except that attitude continues. That teacher became a guidance counselor. Go figure! I learned later that he was at one time or another the president of the Rochester branch of Gay Liberation Association.
People who stand outside the place of what is appropriate will always try to justify and or infect as many others as they can. There is strength in numbers. The body of Christ is being divided over every little thing as Lucifer revels in its weakening, the army of Christ is quickly becoming ineffective. We must put up our best fight however nothing will prevent scripture from being fulfilled. These things must come to pass and the end of things as they are, will be realized.
Believe
May God bless you and keep you from harm.
-- posted by Ted E. DeSalvatore
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33. August 9, 2003 3:23 PM
» Ted E. DeSalvatore - Re: Wrong Reading of Scripture
In response to message posted by BrAelredBernard:
I have read much of this string and find most of what you have stated to be informative and truthful until I got to the bit on Daniel and the prince of the eunuchs. You seemed to dig as deep as possible to imply some form of homosexuality and even went as far as to say God himself had promoted it so I had to go back to the first post and find you asking this question…
You wrote, "My question is and you have yet to answer: where did Jesus say homosexuality was wrong?"
Now I wonder what the driving force is behind all the extensive information that seems to imply that God’s word from the Old Testament has become totally invalid since the ministry of Christ. The basic morality of the Old Testament including references to sex with animals, incest, homosexuality and others are still true teachings and only someone that is into some sort of improper behavior may want to discredit the scriptural reference to it but that won’t change the sickness that drives the activity. In recent days we’ve seen clergy being allowed to fill a position of leadership who himself is open about his controversial lifestyle. We’ve heard all about abuses of other men who are also leaders that have fallen and used their positions wrongfully.
Jesus himself turned over the tables of the money changers in the temple which makes me wonder how he may have responded to the teaching of homosexuality as being a normal alternative contrary to his father’s creation since the first two humans where a man and a woman. With what seems to be the train of thought for today’s modern, opened minded, tolerant, non-responsible Christian who maintains a do as you wish and where you wish mentality, God should have started with two men and we wouldn’t be able to have this conversation at all!
Forgiveness and love, promoting good behavior and helping those that have unhealthy habits is what should be but isn’t. I have problems too but I don’t and won’t expect my local church to allow me to bring my personal sins to be displayed with total disregard of all others in the congregation. My God, think of the children!
Just the other day I got it in my mind to clarify something that had bothered me for many years however I just never looked it up. It has to do with the 3rd commandment.
“Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.â€
The word “vain†seems to be used in the context of deception and misuse.
vain - H7723
??????? o
shâv' shav
shawv, shav
From the same as H7722 in the sense of desolating; evil (as destructive), literally (ruin) or morally (especially guile); figuratively idolatry (as false, subjectively), uselessness (as deceptive, objectively; also adverbially in vain): - false (-ly), lie, lying, vain, vanity.
Gee, and most people think its using God’s name when swearing but that’s not it at all. It is more obviously used in the context of teaching something contrary to what God would have taught or more directly twisting and or changing the word of God to perform something contrary to the truth. As you seem to like the use of Strong’s numbers I would advise taking a close look at “guile†since that seems to have a lot to do with the meaning of “vain†in this context.
guile (gil) noun
1. Treacherous cunning; skillful deceit.
2. Obsolete. A trick or stratagem.
verb, transitive
guiled, guil·ing, guiles
Archaic.
To beguile; deceive.
Jesus asks us to come as children. To much knowledge may in fact get in our way. The point you may be trying to make in favor of a behavior the word says no to could be the beginning of your end. I’m am cautiously proceeding with my walk since I just got out of a two year relationship with a church I shouldn’t have been in.
Now to answer your question.
Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Every word! How you choose to read that is up to you but please don’t change it to fit your need to make something acceptable that you can’t yourself stop. I ask for forgiveness with my weaknesses and believe the promise of Jesus that I am forgiven. I will never try to implement some sort of change within the word of God that somehow condones wrong, immoral or unnatural behavior.
The daily bombardment of immorality weakens the strongest of us and I’m no exception. If I was in an accident and received an incredible wound the wound would have to be tended otherwise infection, fever and death would surely follow. No manipulation of the word will help that. Spiritual and physical ailments must be dealt with, not explained away and left to fester. When was the last time you cut yourself? Did you just let it bleed or get some ointment and a bandage? I would hope you didn’t just stand there and let it drip.
Just as God has said in the Old Testament that I shouldn’t Kill, he has also told me other things I shouldn’t do. Concentrate on that, not the judgments and the penalties. Christ asked us to be forgiving of those that do wrong, not except some sort of perverted teaching that it is now all okay because Jesus said so. HE DID NOT!
Long ago a group representing the Gay Liberation Association of Rochester, New York visited my social studies class while I was in high school. One of the members stated something I will never forget. At the time I was not a Christian however had a great hope that God and Jesus did exist. The statement was, “Jesus was a homosexual.†I and my other classmates, absolutely appalled by the statement, escorted the entire group out of our school and asked the school to remove the teacher who invited the group to speak to us. This was 1973 and the push to make us except that attitude continues. That teacher became a guidance counselor. Go figure! I learned later that he was at one time or another the president of the Rochester branch of Gay Liberation Association.
People who stand outside the place of what is appropriate will always try to justify and or infect as many others as they can. There is strength in numbers. The body of Christ is being divided over every little thing as Lucifer revels in its weakening, the army of Christ is quickly becoming ineffective. We must put up our best fight however nothing will prevent scripture from being fulfilled. These things must come to pass and the end of things as they are, will be realized.
Believe
May God bless you and keep you from harm.
-- posted by Ted E. DeSalvatore
6 comments:
Mr. DeSalvatore is creepy to say the least. I've heard he has sexually harrassed women and would not be surprised if he has pedophilias tendencies.
Making racial slurs are also common with him.
Why do his supporters always point fingers to Ms Wong when the truth about him come out? What about donnelly, dionne, mylott?
Horrible, horrible man!
maybe god told him to beat up the poor disabled veteran.
what a freaking joke this idiot is only it isn't funny any more. he's dangerous. put him in a padded cell. something tells me he's been there before.
what is the obsession with wong from the teddy and his people? is it because she's an asian and he hates minorities? is it because she's a female and he's a sexist? is it because she's educated and we all know how much he hates educated people!
what a fucking embarrassment to live in the same city as this man.
Wonder what the homophobic DeSalvatore has to say about his unconventional landlord.
Hey TED! They had the rapture today. Why are you still here? You one of the 4400?
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